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Text Battling 101

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7:53 pm
February 16, 2008


white rhino

Adept

Posts: 156

Bloomington, Indiana

1

My take on Text Battling

I’ve been thinking a lot about this, and there’s a lot of motherf**kers who are new to this text battling business, so I thought I would lay down some of my ideas.

I think text battles are very similar to acapella battles, a la the World Rap Championships, which you should check out at http://www.jumpoff.tv or just youtube WRC battles.. they’re f**king incredible. Anyways, when I personally write text, I almost always make my lines longer than I would if I were to spit them over a beat … I think it flows better, and you can hear that’s what people do when they rap acapella - they form complete sentences.

I don’t think I’m going to find a battle very interesting unless every rhyme is around 3 syllables & up, maybe with some exceptions.. but you get what I mean. I think punches are the most important element, but if they’re not using multis then, to me, the effect is lost.

Things I consider to be personals are things like: name flips, comebacks from their previous verses, and disses on their personal history or s**t you know about them. A lot of this can go over the heads of ppl who are new to this site and, say, don’t know the background behind the name.

Here’s how I write my verses: continuously throughout the day my mind is twirling over rhymes …. what rhymes with the London Bridge … and I’m trying to get Every Syllable down, for example I came up with … I’m a king in my country, he’s a bum in his //// no way I’ma lose to a guy who f**kin lives under the london bridge. Know what I mean? And I only put the bold text in here for emphasis; I think it’s annoying as hell when ppl do that in battles…

So what I do is I’ll immediately write down everything I know about the guy… his name, if I know where he’s from then I’ll write down some quick stereotypes about people from there, I’ll write down some of the famous s**t over there, and then as I’m turning this information over in my head throughout the day I tend to think of punchlines. I write down all my rhymes if I have a notepad handy, which I almost always do. I’ve got SHITLOADS of notebooks laying around with random s**t scratched on them. Some of it’s really good, some of it’s awful lol.

Out of all this random s**t that I’ve scratched together throughout the day I’ll come back home and try to count up 16 bars worth of s**t. Now, when I string together phrases, I’m looking to go Setup / Punch … Setup / Punch . Or, even better, Setup / Weak Punch / Setup / Strong Punch, all with the same rhyme scheme. An example of that would be:

I don’t like your name …. in fact, it’s a teaser

why you call yourself G-Pimp when you’re actually neither?!

Fuck your fake gangsta style, u ain’t packin a heater

Plus your album collects dust like the back of a speaker!

I think a lot of your problems is you guys are trying to turn these battles out one after the other … you get 48 hours for a verse.. IMO you should spend a day on it to make sure your s**t is tight. You’re not gonna get better just "freestyling" battles, you have to train your mind to think in this way:

1) quickly gather info about opponent

2) quickly see what rhymes with that info

3) quickly form disses using those rhymes

…. the more you do it, the quicker it comes. That’s why I think text battling is a really good way to get better at real-time, freestyle battling.. acapella or over beats. It’s the same process, just slowed the f**k down.

Want to know a good way to make a diss? Go to http://www.yahoo.com and check out what’s in the news, or read your local paper for a week before you have a local battle. You can use ANY big news items to form disses..

Last but not least, I think it’s important to understand that everybody has a different viewpoint on these battles… voting is always going to be slightly subjective and even if you feel like a vote is absolutely retarded, you have to at least consider the other person’s point of view. Nobody likes losing, so you’re definitely going to have a more biased take on the battle than a 3rd-party voter would anyway.

 

Just my .02

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8:36 pm
February 16, 2008


Barker

Seasoned Veteran

Posts: 758

eco27c

2

perfect! I agree with pratically everything here. Plus, I do it too. Lol!

“got the game hemmed up… like a sewin’ machine..” -Em

9:45 pm
February 16, 2008


ッMock-Cッ

Shadowvillian

Posts: 2003

Home Town Columbus.Ohio

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wow rhino your one of the few people on this site who actually care about this rapping thing all you said is true.. But my say in this is, IF YOU SUCK GET BETTER!!! lol and, IF YOUR AWSOME GET AWSOMER!!! True statements… but anyway I should take these guidlines into consideration in my next battle… THANKS FOR HELPING THE NOOBS OF SHADOWVILLE!!!

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10:36 pm
February 16, 2008


Ja-Taa the Misfit

Posts: 589

4

Excellent post Rhino, you’re definitely an asset to this site… plus, it doesn’t hurt that you can actually spell AND construct coherent sentences.  I couldn’t agree more about text battling helping to sharpen your writing/rapping skills in other projects, it’s one of the main reasons I enjoy battling so much… I’ve noticed that it’s become far easier for me to write rhymes and come up with good material since I’ve started battling.  But I also dig it just for it’s own sake, because in a battle I think you’re kinda forced to up your game and come up with clever punches and intricate multi-syllable rhymes, which is often not the case when spittin over a beat… at least in my experience.

And I’m glad you pointed out how some people seem to just churn out s**tty battles one after the other without much thought or time spent on them. For some reason certain "emcees" have this f**ked up idea that the faster you post a verse the better you are, which probably comes from a kind of "freestyle mentality".  I can remember reading some posts where dudes were actually bragging about how many minutes they spent writing their verse!  No wonder it reads like s**t smeared on a gas station stall… f**kin dildoes.  They don’t seem to appreciate that really good verses take time and effort to construct, unless you happen to be a naturally gifted lyricist with a razor-sharp rapid-fire wit… which generally isn’t the case. 

Anyway, great post guy, enjoyed reading it.  Keep it up.

 

Peace 

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12:48 am
February 17, 2008


king cobra

Posts: 2754

5

Nice rhino….good stuff in there.

1:36 am
February 17, 2008


Shadow

Posts: 5957

Somewhere near a bunch of beavers….

6

Ja-Taa the Misfit said:

 

 I can remember reading some posts where dudes were actually bragging about how many minutes they spent writing their verse!  No wonder it reads like s**t smeared on a gas station stall… f**kin dildoes. 

 


outta everything ja said….before ieven read it..that jus stuck out to me..i duno…maybe cuz i work at a gas station..lmfao…but anywho to the topic, i agree with wats said, serious shizz here n ppls should heed it

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12:44 pm
March 28, 2008


tankscraper

Journeyman

Posts: 84

7

Noice Rhino, but I know you better than all these folks, and you need to practice more if you’re gonna hold true to all that. All you out there, Rhino is my boy is RL, so this is not a dis, it’s just a thought. Also, post your bars in that battle, son!  Just kidding.

Also, one thought on structuring text battle rhymes: I have an easier time if I come up with a real freestyle, then annotate and edit it.  I think the variety and flow are better, and I like to be able to perform any string of lyrics I write.  

12:16 am
March 29, 2008


Slantize

Posts: 859

Brooklyn, NY

8

What rhino says is absolutely 100% true. Read his post for your own sake of improving your battle lyrics.

I’m going to sticky this thread, although I’m going to move it to the Emcee’s Corner section.

Art is the Ability to Control Other’s Emotions With Your Mind.