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Do you believe in God?

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6:19 pm
August 21, 2009


Caleb_Barron

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Xehanort said:

Religion was created to satisfy people's fear of Death, which is why most depict afterlifes.

If religious scripture stated that human are to be erased from existence, with no type of utopia/dystopia to greet them, there would be no point.

You love Jesus? No…You just either don't want to go to “Hell,” or the thought of Death terrifies you.

Honestly, aside from when times like this arise, I don't pay attention to Religion, I just live my life how I want to, and when it's my time, s**t, that's it!

At any rate, there are too many threads like this.

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i disagree…while it's true that a huge motivating factor is that i don't want to go to hell…i DO love Jesus…cuz i believe he died for me..went through torture for ME..to give ME hope..and for U too..i really believe that..and i DO love Jesus for that..i know a lot of ppl prolly arent like that for real but i dont think its fair to categorize everyone who's a believer

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6:19 pm
August 21, 2009


alex_delarge

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p.I.k.k. said:

Xehanort said:

GC Da Don said:

I know I Do. And that's without any fear of death or the after life.


You don't fear death because you think there is a grand happiness awaiting you once you experience it. Don't lie to us and say that you believe in God for the sheer sake of believing, you are not Superman, you are scared of being erased from existence just like every living person with a half-way decent life.


Even some who believe in god fear death. I think people who believe in god, actually fear death, more then someone who doesnt. Either way, why go after someone like that?

As for this thread, I believe there's a higher force out there, but nothing god-like in the speaking of an entity or savior. I actually believe life is an experiment gone wrong. As for something can't come from nothing, you're right. It'd have to be here, ever since time itself. As for human logic, it cant explain that, because real logic is far more advanced then human logic will ever be. Human logic was created by, humans. It's something we invented to help 'US' understand things that can't be explained. As far as the universe is concerned, our logic is nothing.


Go after them?

Nah, I was just pointing that the reason behind him claiming that he does not fear death is because he thinks he's going to reach a Shangri-La via faith in an invisible entity.

Like I've said before, if anything, this Universe is an organism that is evolving, with this planet “Earth” being one of it's children, and we, as organisms, being children of this planet. Look at is as a chain, if you have to.

That's about as far as “higher power” goes imo.

According to Norse mythology(a.k.a. religion) the world was created from Fire & Ice…But that's bs…However, according to Christianity, Jesus was birthed by a virgin. That makes so much more sense…


6:21 pm
August 21, 2009


Diogenes

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I believe in God as Nature. Or the pantheism of Spinoza. I am perplexed by the sheer beauty and complexity of the universe. A universe which is mathematically chaotic, but reaches our perception in the form of order. I have to wonder about the ultimate origin of matter and causality, which makes me doubt free will. I suppose I'm a determinist. I don't believe in any traditional monotheistic conception of God. But one would be small-minded to limit God to the Bible. Yes, lately I have come to believe in some supreme being. That supreme being, itself, may be the universe and the laws that govern it. So, it is definitely possible to believe in “a god” without fear of death or afterlife. Because when one lives life with an understanding of the perpetual flux of energy and the inevitability of death, the prospect of death is natural and in some ways comforting. Immortality is not desirable. I don't want to die now, don't get me wrong. But Xehanort, you'd be misled in thinking that everyone fears death. As for heaven and hell, the ideas are ancient, and great for population control or the enforcement of conventional morality…but not a logical bone in my body can admit that an afterlife exists. I would suggest reading a great little book called “A Dialogue on Personal Identity and Immortality” by John Perry. Peace and love.

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6:23 pm
August 21, 2009


alex_delarge

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And, please, Cboi, if the bible you read from told you that once you die, that is it, there is nothing afterwards, you are dead and gone, with no type of compensation/reward/requiem for your devoted worshipping, would there to be a point in following that religion?

Allow me to answer my own question with a logical no.

6:27 pm
August 21, 2009


alex_delarge

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Everyone fears death.

You'd be mislead to think otherwise.

Fear presents itself in more ways than crying for help.

I've heard people say, “I'm not scared to die, I'm just worried about how the people around me will be affected by it.” That's still fear, in a flipped form. You can reply to this and twist to make it backfire on me, but it still stands.

6:40 pm
August 21, 2009


Caleb_Barron

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Xehanort said:

And, please, Cboi, if the bible you read from told you that once you die, that is it, there is nothing afterwards, you are dead and gone, with no type of compensation/reward/requiem for your devoted worshipping, would there to be a point in following that religion?

Allow me to answer my own question with a logical no.


ahh u see that's how it begins..but hopefully as ppl mature it starts to become more than that..i've witnessed many small miracles in my short 18 years on this earth..i've seen God working for the good in my life

the way i see it..if ppl believe all the scientific theories about the beginning of time..then it shouldn't be hard to believe it was CREATED..ppl find it hard to believe that God has no beginning and no end..yet the same concept would apply to any theories human beings have…if a huge explosion created everything..where'd the explosion come from?  if ppl believe that something can't come from nothing it would directly contradict some ppl's disbelief in God..see what i'm saying?

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6:43 pm
August 21, 2009


Diogenes

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You'd be misled to think at your young age you can make such a positive statement without first properly studying the philosophy on the subject. And no, not everyone fears death. I can give you one very big example: any Buddhist monk (not a novice monk, but one who has full understanding of the Buddha's teachings, and the serenity and clarity of thought that only comes with years of meditation). Your own small understanding of the human psyche, your own personal views on death, your own limited knowledge of metaphysics, cannot and does not extend to humanity as a whole.

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7:00 pm
August 21, 2009


Fims of Neurominded

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Rozwell said:

fims said:

Rozwell said:

I have a complex belief system, that evolves, but to the core elements, I hold strong to…


I believe in God(s), as in we were created as the bible, and other religious documents have said… but I also believe in evolution, because that is a theory that has been tested and proved many times in science…

Now I've done research on ancient civilazations, especially the Sumerians, and I've found the missing links between how we went from primitive mammals to humans… And from decifering ancient Sumerian glyphs it shows, at least to me, that they(The Gods) used complicated genetics to create us because the Sumerians were highly knowledgeable for their time… for 4500 BC they knew about planet locations, had advanced systems of law set-up… created music, and other advancements… who taught them this?


Short answer… yes, I believe in God… 


evolution contradicts the idea of a supreme being.


What if the supreme being, and what he/they have created are ever evolving…? I don't see a condradiction in that…


Very unlikely; A supreme being (if such a thing existed) would still have to undergo the laws of natural selection. Without there being a base or principle for it to evolve from then evolution would be impossible. How would a God evolve? God by definition is “the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in …”

So how would something omnipotent and omniscient evolve? It's a contradiction, it can't evolve. That is why most religious folks say that “god” doesn't follow the laws of physics/science.

If you NEEDED to believe in a god then i'd say to go with either deism or pantheism…


When you say “who taught Sumerians,” are you referring to technological advances? It's easy to explain. They got to their technological advances through ideas and basic axioms of life and lifestyle. For example, what if they invented let's say… an aqueduct of some sort… they would of probably got there from the conclusion that closed objects with depht contain water, and conserve water.  It's not that hard to come up with…


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7:03 pm
August 21, 2009


alex_delarge

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As much as I agree with you on the basis of, “by being 16, the information you carry is unfortunately limited,” let's not blow this out of proportion. What are reasons for these Monks seeking serenity and clarity? Fear. As I said before, fear can be presented in many ways.

Cboi, you and any other person believe in God and Heaven because you desire the paradise that you have been told is awaiting you. Denying that is futile.

7:05 pm
August 21, 2009


Fims of Neurominded

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countryboi_91 said:

Xehanort said:

And, please, Cboi, if the bible you read from told you that once you die, that is it, there is nothing afterwards, you are dead and gone, with no type of compensation/reward/requiem for your devoted worshipping, would there to be a point in following that religion?

Allow me to answer my own question with a logical no.


ahh u see that's how it begins..but hopefully as ppl mature it starts to become more than that..i've witnessed many small miracles in my short 18 years on this earth..i've seen God working for the good in my life

the way i see it..if ppl believe all the scientific theories about the beginning of time..then it shouldn't be hard to believe it was CREATED..ppl find it hard to believe that God has no beginning and no end..yet the same concept would apply to any theories human beings have…if a huge explosion created everything..where'd the explosion come from?  if ppl believe that something can't come from nothing it would directly contradict some ppl's disbelief in God..see what i'm saying?


Uh where did GOD come from?

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