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The Hip Hop “Image”

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2:57 pm
August 11, 2009


Dizzy C

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but that was lady sovereign though, but you really didnt have to go there with that there are plenty of female emcees out there who are doing it big. In a matter a fact i kno some white female emcess out there who are killing it. They work as has as black female emcees on hip hop. And look at me people look at me and they wouldnt think i rap you gotta work hard.. i'm 5'11 and i'm black and i wear glasses no one would have ever though that i rapped.

Open up ya mind and eat away at ya concious.

3:00 pm
August 11, 2009


alex_delarge

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audiosift said:

Yes, what you said is exactly what people are going to think.

You are white, you are a female, and your just not marketable in the eyes of record labels. Look at Lady Sovereign, Def Jam took a BIG risk with her and her album which dropped in April didnt even place on any charts. They dont take risks like that anymore. Honestly, if you want to be recognized, hip hop is not the approach you want to take. I heard your song “I write”, you have a bit of attitude in your delivery, but based on your pictures, you dont strike me as someone who has an atitude. You have to be consistent, either write poetry and keep your “image” or assimilate with what they expect. Or do what I do, and ghostwrite.


Or, Dawk, you can just do whatever you want to do and let your tunes speak for itself…

At any rate, let it be known that the reason why Lady Sovereign was “unsuccessful” is because Def Jam and the money hungry mogule named Jay-Z who offered her to them tried to market her as a female EMINEM. Those idiots should've known that mimicking a legend is not something you're supposed to attempt, hence the reason people don't like Asher Roth(and even THAT is scandalous imo). Hence the reason why her first single was Pop-orientated.

Females don't make it far period though(pun intended). Lil Mama is dope, but where is she at?

I think, it's going to take a mind-blowing female(again, pun intended) lyricist to kick down the door that was knocked on by Queen Latifah, Da Brat, and Salt-N-Pepa, and banged on by Lil Kim and Trina, kind of like it took EMINEM to open the door for white rappers. Lady Sovereign and Lil Mama have that required skill if you ask me, but they just lacked the correct backing…What a shame…Have you guys ever heard of Psalm One?

PS: Lady Gaga, Fergi, and any other electro-hop/pop artist does not count for what I am saying.


3:43 pm
August 11, 2009


Rozwell©

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In terms of talented female emcee's… there are MANY in the underground, there always has been… ever since I started gettin' into hip-hop I've been listening to the likes of Zigg Zagg, Marvaless, Jean Grey, and many more… See people need to get past this whole “image” thing seriously… you're music is not bound by what you wear, skin color, or your f**kin' gender… Audiosift, you sound like a radio and industry mark… straight up…

4:25 pm
August 11, 2009


Dawk

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Post edited 3:28 pm - August 11, 2009 by Dawk


audiosift said:

Yes, what you said is exactly what people are going to think.

You are white, you are a female, and your just not marketable in the eyes of record labels. Look at Lady Sovereign, Def Jam took a BIG risk with her and her album which dropped in April didnt even place on any charts. They dont take risks like that anymore. Honestly, if you want to be recognized, hip hop is not the approach you want to take. I heard your song “I write”, you have a bit of attitude in your delivery, but based on your pictures, you dont strike me as someone who has an atitude. You have to be consistent, either write poetry and keep your “image” or assimilate with what they expect. Or do what I do, and ghostwrite.


Haha, ghostwriting is not for me and never will be. And I actually strongly disagree with you, emphasis on the strongly. I mean, eventually people are going to get sick of hearing “music” from these cookie cutter rappers that have been making pointless club hits for the past how many years; thats when they're gonna have to go into the underground and grab up and MC who just doesn't fit the bill. It'll become a gimmick. While I don't EVER want my skin color or the fact that I don't fit the stereotype to become a gimmick for me, it'll work for somebody. And I'll show you attitude. Fuck assimilation, and f**k you for recommending I change anything about the way I am to try to fit this industry standard.


Also, Alex, yes I've heard of Psalm One.. Idk if I'm a fan yet and Rozwell, Jean Grae is the s**t!


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8:38 am
August 13, 2009


obk

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''underground'' the home of the illest and the mad skillzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzLaughLaugh 


12:44 pm
August 13, 2009


audiosift

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you're underground, you'll stay underground because the whole “I dont fit in” concept is an underground theme. 

You obviously made this thread so people who could relate to your identity crisis could tell you its ok.

Let me do you a favor and tell you that it's a mistake IMHO for you to pursue a career in music by investing time and money in it believing that this image of yours is going to sell.

There aren't enough outcasts who buy enough records to make you go platinum.

If you wanna be “real”, then be real and be broke.

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2:52 pm
August 13, 2009


Dawk

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Who said I was going to try and sell myself? I do music because I love it, simple and plain. Not only do I rap, but I also play guitar and I am pursuing a career in music business. People seem to have forgotten about the concept of doing things because they love them, in music specifically today, everyone is so concerned about “going platinum.” Also, this thread has nothing to do with anyones “identity crisis,” the purpose is to point out the fact that media has created this image of what hip hop “really” is and a lot of talented MC's have fallen to the wayside just because of that.


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3:13 pm
August 13, 2009


Rozwell©

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audiosift said:

you're underground, you'll stay underground because the whole “I dont fit in” concept is an underground theme. 

You obviously made this thread so people who could relate to your identity crisis could tell you its ok.

Let me do you a favor and tell you that it's a mistake IMHO for you to pursue a career in music by investing time and money in it believing that this image of yours is going to sell.

There aren't enough outcasts who buy enough records to make you go platinum.

If you wanna be “real”, then be real and be broke.


You are a f**kin' idiot… with little knowledge of what you speak of… you transform yourself to fit in the industry you get 15% of sales if your lucky, and a little more than that… so maybe 25-40% doing shows, and the rest goes to labels… and if you don't make it, your left paying back advances for a long time, leaving yourself in debt for years… All at the same time… that's trying to be somebody that your not… Look at someone like Tech N9ne who makes the music that he wants to make, embraces the “outcasts”, gets respect, gets hate, but still went platinum on his last disc on his own without a major record deal… Maybe 10 years ago you could of made your agrument, but your statements have no relevants in the age of myspace networking, and other internet sites… get with the times or get left behind bro…

3:28 pm
August 13, 2009


p!!kk

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Post edited 2:34 pm - August 13, 2009 by p.I.k.k.


audiosift said:

you're underground, you'll stay underground because the whole “I dont fit in” concept is an underground theme.

You obviously made this thread so people who could relate to your identity crisis could tell you its ok.

Let me do you a favor and tell you that it's a mistake IMHO for you to pursue a career in music by investing time and money in it believing that this image of yours is going to sell.

There aren't enough outcasts who buy enough records to make you go platinum.

If you wanna be “real”, then be real and be broke.


Fine by me.

“I'd rather be hated for who I am, then loved for whom I'm not.”

If it takes a drastic change in my character and outlook, be that my politics/opinions/etc. to make a couple grand? Then yea, I'd rather stay broke and real. What you're speaking on, is what we call the 'Blood Doctrine' in the underground. Like, bait on a hook: You bite, and they jerk. Then how your future turns out, is up to them and no-longer you.

You're either a slave to your ideas, or a slave to theirs.

Oh, and by the way. There are enough outcasts in the world who could buy enough records for an underground artist to go platinum. You're just trying to compare wide-spanded marketing and gimicktry to local buzz. You can't. It's easy to manipulate an audience to buy an album. All they have to do is subliminally introduce it via the television or radio, over a long period of time, creating a buzz before the album drops. Sales don't determine the quality of you're album. Since, it's proven that label execs. hire street teams to go out and buy hundreds of thousands of copies of the album.

12:32 am
August 14, 2009


Cazper

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hip hop is a life style, not the cloths you wear.


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